It's a little bit selfish though. I can't stand Warhammer but love SBG. It doesn't mean that I preach for people to stop buying Warhammer models.

I agree, its like the WHFB and 40K fans think they have some sort of Space Marine-style 'righteous anger' at Lotr SBG/WOTR, who knows why...maybe its secretly jealousy because its a simpler, more elegant game system, the models are much nicer, all IMO of course or even that it hasnt been around as long so they still view it as a little annoying upstart of a game, though to be fair the Lord of the rings story has been around for MUCH longer...etc

It all looks ok, not keen on the goblin heroes though. Nor Amdur on the horse, seems the designers are still keen on both hands being on the sword whilst mounted since the Knight of Umbar....hmm

I'm very keen for the rules release though!!

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I will probably get them all at some point, except maybe the orcs-riding-rhino thing that I've forgotten the name of.

I'll be picking up all the books probably on release, but the models will be there for a long time yet

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I reckon the rhino thing will be the first of the models I purchase... if I can resist Easterlings

My favorite is the Watcher octopus.

Hasn't anyone noticed the Watcher doesn't look like the one from the films? I think it's a Games Workshop original design, maybe. It's also got crab legs, look closely.The new Easterlings are fantastic. The goblins suck. The beast? Mmm... a bit too Warhammer.

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I think you might be looking at it at the wrong angle buddy. It looks exactly like the one from the films, except the crablegs. (Which I guess is an excuse to have the watcher be able to fight on land. [I don't see why tentacles wouldn't allow him to do that but...])

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I think you might be looking at it at the wrong angle buddy. It looks exactly like the one from the films, except the crablegs. (Which I guess is an excuse to have the watcher be able to fight on land. [I don't see why tentacles wouldn't allow him to do that but...])[/quote]
But the mouth doesn't look the same though! The Watcher in the film had a massive mouth, very different to the model...

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IIRC it's pretty small at first, but then it "extends" it's jaws or something.

But the mouth doesn't look the same though! The Watcher in the film had a massive mouth, very different to the model...[/quote]

Yes indeed, he extends his jaw later on in the scene + That's not what I'd call a small mouth on that mini.

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Yes indeed, he extends his jaw later on in the scene + That's not what I'd call a small mouth on that mini. [/quote]
Hmm.... whatever, we'll see soon enough!

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I know, right? It's a very common trend I've noticed. The first comment in reply to the Dakka Dakka posting, where Farmer Maggot linked the pictures from, read:

I mean, some 40K and Fantasy gamers really hate LotR!We're sad when LotR gets little to no recognition or support in White Dwarf, or on the GW website, but many Fantasy and 40K players consider any attention given to LotR a waste of time, space, and resources. To be fair though, after the post I just quoted, other posters showed some support for LotR.

To me the post that person made is just stupid anyway. If there wasn't sufficient interest in LOTR figures then it would have fallen on its face by now and GW wouldn't still be making models for it.

As for the new releases, nothing that I want to rush out and get. Kataphrakts is a good release and the Watcher looks pretty nice too. If they'd released the Rhino things as part of a Grond set (preferrably in plastic for ease of assembly) then I probably would have got that. Its a good thing I don't want any of it really, I've spent too much and got too much to paint already.

These sorts of comments are extremely selfish and arrogant. GW made big profits from the LOTR range during the LOTR films craze, and was able to plough that back into the business in general. So 40K and Warhammer gamers benefited because GW was able to grow and continue to improve its other Core systems. And its rather hypocritical for them to complain about GW wasting time and resources on LOTR at the expense of 40K and Warhammer, because for the last 3 years or so we've had very little in the way of LOTR content and had to put up almost entirely with 40K and WHFB content.

I've played LOTR for 9 years and 40K for 4, and as much as I love the 40K universe (i.e. the miniatures, and the novels, especially the Horus Heresy) LOTR is by far the superior game, superior miniatures and superior universe. Its a better game, because the rules are tighter and better written, simple yet elegant. Its easy to learn, and you rarely get bogged down in rules discussions like in 40K (I've never had a 40K game in which I and my opponent didn't have a minor disagreement over some rule). Better miniatures, because they have the benefit of drawing on the LOTR films and WETA Workshop concepts for inspiration. And superior universe, because its based on a masterpiece of literature written by a literary genius who just so happens to be the godfather of modern fantasy (including 40K and WHFB).

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There weren't loads of them, there were 7, only 3 of whom were killed. If it wasn't in Finecast and so dang expensive, I would buy it.

No matter what, I'm getting the Dragon Knight on horseback and the Kataphracts. Not to bug a fan of the goblins, and I don't really want an Easterling Shaman on horse (seems like an arrow magnet to me) and I don't need a second Amdur on foot, even if the mounted version looks awesome. Wouldn't mind the Watcher or the Great Beast, if they were half the price.

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The number of Balrogs changed over time. There is a reference to a host of a thousand of them in the Silmarilian. Tolkien eventually decided to limit them to 7, but didn't change the text.

I saw the title, and I went .

And then I saw the pictures, and I thought

Everything except the Lootrider (horrible name though), the Gorgoroth Beast (except the theme issues) and the Easterlings (which entirely justify my first reaction) isn't worth a dead fly, let alone 30+ euros of my fast-flying money.

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Except the facts don't support that opinion.

Someone over on Warseer broke down the number of WFB and 40K releases over the past 15 or so years and there has been NO disruption of warhammer releases because of LotRs, even during the movie's height. In fact, on average, the number of WFB and 40K releases has gone UP (marginally) since LotR came on the scene.

This. Tolkien frequently mentioned there being more than 7 in his writings (Book of Lost Tales 2 mentions hundreds while in Quenta Silmarillion there are a thousand). It wasn't until later that he decided there were "at most 7" and this figure wasn't disclosed until Christopher Tolkien published his History of Middle-Earth.