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| Author: | Shadowswarm [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | WOTR balancing |
so yesterday i went to a gaming club (where a 1500pt wotr tourning is going to happen) and the guys there have these rules: limit of 5 mastery lvls (untill you get to 2500ptsish) and a limit of 1 extremely hard to kill model. and here is y: 'the mastery limit is to stop ppl fielding multiple nazguls. they are SO overpowered/undercosted that its no fair for the good side who only has +200pt ppl to equal them the extremely hard to kill limit is to stop ppl fielding multiple oliphants, cause when an elephant moves to an enemy formation, it HAS to fall back and if there is something blocking them when they fall back they the formation is destroyed (fly a nazgul back there and then make them fall back onto the nazgul....) seriously, nazgul are sooooo good, if i take a dragon, then the nazgul can pall of night it all day long, neutralizing it, but the good side cant do this. they best they can do is with gandalf - reduce the dragon to F0.... (dueling only hurts the dragon... a bit) so do u think that the nazgul pts could be increased to 200? i think its reasonable, especially for khamul, and i really think that mumakil should be increased in their cost |
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| Author: | General Elessar [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WOTR balancing |
200pts for Nazgul would be too much, but I think an increase would be a good idea. Perhaps just to 150pts. As for the Mumakil, I don't think they need a points change. |
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| Author: | Shadowswarm [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WOTR balancing |
200pts too much? alot of good magic users are 150pts and only mastery 2, for the good side to get mastery 3 they have to get +200pts heros |
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| Author: | General Elessar [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WOTR balancing |
I disagree. Compare a Nazgul to Gandalf the Grey: both have about the same magic capability but Gandalf has Touched by Destiny, two more Might, more Epic Actions, and several other minor bonuses; that seems about 75pts to me. Radagast is roughly the same as a Nazgul, but has two more Might for 35pts more. Again, that seems fair enough. |
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| Author: | spuds4ever [ Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WOTR balancing |
General Elessar wrote: I disagree. Compare a Nazgul to Gandalf the Grey: both have about the same magic capability but Gandalf has Touched by Destiny, two more Might, more Epic Actions, and several other minor bonuses; that seems about 75pts to me. Radagast is roughly the same as a Nazgul, but has two more Might for 35pts more. Again, that seems fair enough. Yeahhh, but nazgul do have much better magic. Let's admit it, spells of command suck and spells of darkness rule (sad but true). I think nazgul should be about 150-160 points. |
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| Author: | hero of gondor [ Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WOTR balancing |
Darkness is not better then Command their purpose is different so you can never compare them. And about the points of ringwraith just leave them but you must pay 50 points extra for the special rules cause only the special rules are overpowered. But when you do that you must change the points values of many more models like druzhag, kardush, thranduil the list keep's on going. |
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| Author: | Hashut's Blessing [ Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WOTR balancing |
Most things in the book could do with a points tweak (such as Corsair Arbalesters - cheaper than Corsair Bowmen!??), to be honest. I disagree and think Command is better (unless lots of Heroes are in range): it allows you to heal, reduce (usually already low) Courage and such like. Anyone think a Strength increase of 1 (maybe 2) for bows is in order? They never seem to do ANYthing from my experience. |
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| Author: | General Elessar [ Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WOTR balancing |
Hashut's Blessing wrote: Anyone think a Strength increase of 1 (maybe 2) for bows is in order? They never seem to do ANYthing from my experience. I think the bows are fine. Yeah, you alway need 6's but I've found that you roll so many dice you still get several kills. |
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| Author: | evilatmind [ Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: WOTR balancing |
i think the ringwraiths arent underpriced too much, it's just that some other magic users( shamans, etc) are too many points which makes ringwraiths seem very good value. the reason ringwraiths are so cheap is because they are poor in duels well thats my moneys worth anyway |
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