All times are UTC


It is currently Sat Nov 30, 2024 11:00 pm



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Hobbit Archers...hand weapons or none?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:36 am 
Craftsman
Craftsman
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sat May 08, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 387
Location: netherlands
Scouring the Shire sourcebook: "Archers are armed with long knives (daggers) and short bow."
Ruin of Arnor sourcebook: "...carries a short bow but is otherwise unarmed."

The daggers are on the models. Other hobbit profiles are listed in Ruin of Arnor, so it is not as if, "When with an Arnor army, hobbit archers have forgotten to bring thier daggers...with a Shire army, they remembered them." No, this seems like a contradiction, and I can't find a FAQ correction.

Anyone know? This little point can significantly change how I use them.

_________________
"make me lunch... worthy of Mordor"
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Hobbit Archers...hand weapons or none?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:16 pm 
Kinsman
Kinsman
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:05 am
Posts: 55
Location: Canada
well dont take my word as law cause im actually not too sure about this either :roll: ...but if, as you say, you can see the dagger on the model then going with the WYSIWYG rule that most people abide by then yes, they do have a hand weapon 8)

_________________
The enemy? His sense of duty was no less than yours, I deem. - Faramir
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Hobbit Archers...hand weapons or none?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:36 pm 
Ringwraith
Ringwraith
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:05 pm
Posts: 3140
Location: Canada
Images: 4
I believe Ruin of Arnor came after Scouring of the Shire, therefore they do not have hand weapons.
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Hobbit Archers...hand weapons or none?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:04 pm 
Loremaster
Loremaster
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:26 pm
Posts: 1143
Location: In the midst of the chaos...
To add to that, WYSIWIG is generally only applied to upgrades or options added to the model, not the baseline equipment.

_________________
Studio gaarew; Gaming armies, by gamers, for gamers.
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Hobbit Archers...hand weapons or none?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:30 pm 
Kinsman
Kinsman
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:05 am
Posts: 55
Location: Canada
ahhh... well good to know 8)

_________________
The enemy? His sense of duty was no less than yours, I deem. - Faramir
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Hobbit Archers...hand weapons or none?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:05 pm 
Elven Warrior
Elven Warrior
Offline

Joined: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:08 am
Posts: 775
Location: Notts, UK
In tournies its more about if you stick to one book no one moans
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Hobbit Archers...hand weapons or none?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:03 pm 
Craftsman
Craftsman
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sat May 08, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 387
Location: netherlands
whafrog wrote:
I believe Ruin of Arnor came after Scouring of the Shire, therefore they do not have hand weapons.


This assumes that disarming Hobbit Archers is intentional, not a mistake--and that they are disarmed only in the Arnor list..? Or does it supersede Scouring the Shire, therefore ALL Hobbit Archers, in both army lists, are officially nerfed? I love those little guys: so cheap and accurate...but that is a huge compromise. Is this the common way changes are made, or is there some other confirming note of it somewhere--like when wargs got thier attack? The real question: any chance at all this is a mistake, not an intentional nerfing? Or even that it can be held in question? I won't lie about stats, even if I could get away with it...but I'll take the daggers if there is a genuine question.

_________________
"make me lunch... worthy of Mordor"
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Hobbit Archers...hand weapons or none?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:34 pm 
Ringwraith
Ringwraith
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:05 pm
Posts: 3140
Location: Canada
Images: 4
I checked the FAQ for Ruin of Arnor, and it says nothing about the hobbits, so I assume it's accurate.

I'm not 100% sure about this, but I believe that Scouring of the Shire came out after the Return of the King rule book (not to be confused with the Return of the King *journeybook*), but before the One Ring rule book. In Return of the King rules, a dagger meant -1 to the Fight roll, just like unarmed does in the One Ring book. So they've probably always been at -1 in combat, and the profile was changed in Ruin of Arnor to conform to the One Ring version of the rules.
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Hobbit Archers...hand weapons or none?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:08 am 
Craftsman
Craftsman
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sat May 08, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 387
Location: netherlands
Bummer. That leaves only enough doubt to ask for clarafication at the tournement itself, and hope for the best. I take it the -1 to the Fight roll for daggers has been dropped, at least....replaced with -1 for unarmed?

_________________
"make me lunch... worthy of Mordor"
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Hobbit Archers...hand weapons or none?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:01 am 
Ringwraith
Ringwraith
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:05 pm
Posts: 3140
Location: Canada
Images: 4
Yes, daggers have no penalty
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Hobbit Archers...hand weapons or none?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:46 pm 
Kinsman
Kinsman
Offline

Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:03 pm
Posts: 50
As whafrog says when the Scouring the Shire came out the current rulebook was the old "return of the king". In that rulebook someone fighting with a dagger had a -1 penalty, the same as someone unarmed according to the present rules.
When the ORB came out the ruling changed and daggers became hand weapons with no penalty. If you check the Hobbit Archer profile in ORB you 'll see that it says that he is armed with a knife and counts as unarmed.
In conclusion, nothing has really changed in the ruling apart from the wording...
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Hobbit Archers...hand weapons or none?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:28 am 
Elven Warrior
Elven Warrior
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:25 am
Posts: 506
Location: netherlands
Ruin of arnor was the last book with hobbit archers:

And they say that hobbit archers are unarmed is that so hard?

_________________
"There are only 4 things you need in life: Lasagna, beer, a girlfriend and of course a gondor army."
Top
  Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 134 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: