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Author:  Noddwyr [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:05 am ]
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Hi guys here is my Easterling 500pts army that I am planning, I already have a box of Easterlings but thats it. I was originally gonna ally with far harad but after considering it further i decided to go with a pure Easterling army.
Easterling Captain w/ horse and shield 70
Dragon Knight 60
10 Easterling Warrior w/shield 80
14 Easterling Warrior w/shield and spear 140
10 Easterling Warrior w/ bow 80
5 Easterling Kataphract 70

500 points, 41 units, 10 bows, 4 might

If I use this one, i was thinking about swapping the dragon knight for a regular captain.

OR

Ringwraith on horse ( +2 might, +1 will and fate) 85
Easterling Captain w/ shield 55
10 Easterling Warrior w/shield 80
13 Easterling Warrior w/shield and spear 130
10 Easterling Warrior w/ bow 80
5 Easterling Kataphract 70

500 points, 40 units, 10 bows, 4 might

I threw the ringwraith into the second one to get some magic and hero killing power in there.
What do you guys think?
Author:  Mouth-of-Sauron [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:15 am ]
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I like the first one more, as it has more power punching herose also it includes a hero to lead the mounted attack, which might turn out to be quite devastating. :rofl: I quess that a war priest at these points wouldn´t really pay off, neither the banner...but they are worth considering.

My vote for the first list, but the way they might play on the battle field will clearly depend on you opponents army, cause some times a presence of a Ringwraith is neccesary :rofl:
Author:  PowerofWill [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:47 pm ]
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I think the second list is a bit better than the first, as it has a ringwraith to lead the kataphracts, and a captain to lead the foot soldiers. It would be nice if you could fit a banner bearer in though.
Author:  Haldir glory [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:03 am ]
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i like more the first but the second is strongest with the nazgul
Author:  spuds4ever [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:38 am ]
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Haldir glory wrote:
i like more the first but the second is strongest with the nazgul


I prefer the first list but maybe the second list is better. In the first list, I would swap the DK for an EWP.
Author:  General Elessar [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:26 am ]
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There's very little to choose between the two lists: they're bascially the same apart the Dragon-Knight/Ringwraith, but even this isn't a huge difference as they're both primarily anti-heroes.
Author:  Noddwyr [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:57 pm ]
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Thanks guys. i will just play both and see which one I like better. The War Priest might be fun, so i will give that a go too.
Author:  Mouth-of-Sauron [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:57 am ]
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Now that I think of it, I´m wondering why don´t you use Khamul instead... He replaces both the fighter and a ringwraith (and costs more). He is tricky to play but he might be very very rewarding and is great in this theme... :rofl:
Author:  Noddwyr [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:03 am ]
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You mean smt like this?

Khamul on armoured horse - 135
8 Easterling Warrior w/shield 64
15 Easterling Warrior w/shield and spear 150
10 Easterling Warrior w/ bow 80
5 Easterling Kataphract 70

499 points, 39 units, 10 bows, 2 might

Or maybe the Dark Marshall? The only problem I have with this list, is that it leaves my with only 2 might, and no captain to lead my foot troops. what does everyone think?
Author:  General Elessar [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:54 am ]
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I prefer the other lists, mostly because (as you said) they have more Might and a Hero to lead both in infantry and cavalry.
Author:  Mouth-of-Sauron [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:12 pm ]
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Yup i do agree, but if you are going to expand that army in the new future consider Khamul...

I´m still for the first list... but it really depends who are you up against...
Author:  Noddwyr [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:55 pm ]
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Right so, what about this this for 500 pts:
Easterling Captain w/ horse and shield 70
Easterling Captain w/ shield 55
10 Easterling Warrior w/shield 80
12 Easterling Warrior w/shield and spear 120
10 Easterling Warrior w/ bow and spear 100
5 Easterling Kataphract 70

500 points, 39 units, 10 bows, 4 might

and what this for moving up to 750pts:

Khamul w/armoured horse 135
The Dark Marshall 120
15 Easterling Warrior w/shield 120
14 Easterling Warrior w/shield and spear 140
15 Easterling Warrior w/ bow and spear 150
6 Easterling Kataphract 70

749 points, 52 units, 15 bows, 4 might

C&C welcome
Author:  Mouth-of-Sauron [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:41 pm ]
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Id say too many Nazgyl in the second list. Drop the Dark Marshal and get Amdur as he gives the same effects (Banner and FV of 6) to the army.
Also Amdur has more might and is able to get it back...

So you would have about 20 more points left. Consider adding a Hornblower to your army. (Upgrade one of your warriors to be a hornblower for 20 pts) :rofl:

I would really love the second list with Khamul and Amdur leading the force :rofl:
Author:  Noddwyr [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:07 am ]
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I dunno, I was thinking about that, but for 20 points more in the dark marshall I get double the banner range and some good magic. Yeah its less might and no chance to regain that might, but the magic seems to make up for that.
Author:  General Elessar [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:53 pm ]
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I agree with Mouth-of-Sauron, drop the Dark Marshal and get either Amdur or two captains.

By the way, how many Kataphrakts have you got in each army? One says 5, the other 6, but you've said 70pts for both.
Author:  spuds4ever [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:35 pm ]
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General Elessar wrote:
I agree with Mouth-of-Sauron, drop the Dark Marshal and get either Amdur or two captains.

By the way, how many Kataphrakts have you got in each army? One says 5, the other 6, but you've said 70pts for both.


I would say Amdur is definetely the way to go IMO. I think that's a pretty solid list, I would say you need something to shield the flanks of your pikewall, just 6 more warriors would suffice.
Author:  Noddwyr [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:25 am ]
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@ General Ellesar, it was 5 in the 500pts and 6 in the 750 pt, just forgot to change the points. Right here are the lists again.

Easterling Captain w/ horse and shield 70
Easterling Captain w/ shield 55
10 Easterling Warrior w/shield 80
12 Easterling Warrior w/shield and spear 120
10 Easterling Warrior w/ bow and spear 100
5 Easterling Kataphract 70

500 points, 39 units, 10 bows, 4 might

and

Khamul w/armoured horse 135
Amdur 100
20 Easterling Warrior w/shield 160
12 Easterling Warrior w/shield and spear 120
15 Easterling Warrior w/ bow and spear 150
6 Easterling Kataphract 84

749 points, 55 units, 15 bows, 5 might

I couldnt squeeze 6 more warriors in but i did manage 3. I changed to Amdur, since that seems to be the what everyone likes and I can see why. He is more of a fighter.

How would I progress up to 1000 points?
Author:  Mouth-of-Sauron [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:25 am ]
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About Amdur....
First of all You don´t have to do what everyone else suggest you do, it´s just our preference... if you know that you are facing hero heavy army then yes two Nazgyl are way better but in a more kinda balanced list AMdur would do better.

1. Amdurs banner affects also Khamul (DM´s does not)
2. Amdur has the same benefits as DM (FV of 6 and a banner rule)
3. As you already have a some what magic casting Nazgyl you really don´t need the second one cause you don´t have anyone to cut throw enemies front ranks or lead the charge... which Amdur is quite capable of (support him with 2 spears and he becomes "uber killing tank")
4. He has more might, and is able to get it back although the chances are odd, it is still possible.

Overall I think that as he grants the army almost same benefits ( FV6&Banner) and is somewhat even better (More Might and Better Fighter) Then he would flare much better in the game.


But you are free to try both lists out to see which one you like the best.
Not sure I can give you help on 1000pts, never used armies in such games... :rofl:

Come to think of it I might just use your 750 pts list, myself :rofl:
Author:  Noddwyr [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:53 pm ]
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Thanks, I'm glad my excessive need to create army lists as of late has been useful to someone but me. :D Your points about Amdur are very good and I agree, his ability to cut through troops is great, the only thing I would argue is that though I have Khamul to cast magic, he isnt as good at casting as the dark marshall so having the second nazgyl could be useful. I might try out both lists, though the extra few guys in the Amdur list might be helpful considering that most evil armies will hit the 75 unit limit no problem at 750 points. Anyway, I will play them and see.
Author:  mckeem [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:58 pm ]
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i really like the first list but like some of the others, i recommend swapping out the dragon knight with the war priest. the fury is incredibly help for passing all courage test and if they're wounded you get to reroll and if you get a six the wound is negated. other than that it seems like a great build.
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