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GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:17 am

I was just about to say what Kili said.

Kili · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:22 am

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

I was just about to say what Kili said.

lol

First!

Lorizael · **Joined:** Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:58 pm **Posts:** 202

Ah I was tricked by the fact that they're still there to see on the website- didn't check the individual books.
My local GW still has a bunch of them that weren't sent back last time they got rid of old stock.

SuicidalMarsbar · **Joined:** Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:14 am **Posts:** 1712

Maybe they will make a stat/army list book. Which includes all the army lists and all the profiles (including the white dwarf profiles) but no rules, it would compliment the mines of moria box better than the OR rulebook... However i agree that they are probably just making the sourcebooks unavailable because they didn't sell well, not because they are planning a release anytime soon.

Or MAYBE they will make all the relevant information from the sourcebooks available online? That would be a reasonable way to balance the price rises, oh wait, that will never happen

Lord of Umbar · **Joined:** Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:23 pm **Posts:** 1

Has no one noticed that 10 years of SBG is coming.
I would not be suprised if a new manual was instore for us late in the year.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:54 pm

Lord of Umbar wrote:

I would not be suprised if a new manual was instore for us late in the year.

I would.

Ritcherd · **Posted:** Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:26 am

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

I would.

i know what you mean

Harfoot · **Posted:** Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:36 am

slightly different subject but it fits this link, around a year before the LOTR was released the Perry brothers went to New Zealand to prepare for the new sculps, i wonder if they have been over again or planning to go? anyone know? Also have you noticed a slow down in Fine Cast (or Miscast as i call them) releases, must mean they have not sorted out the production problems?

Sticky Fingersss · **Joined:** Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:20 am **Posts:** 1776

GW just released a bunch of Warhammer finecasts, I havn't noticed a slowdown.

Amarthadan · **Posted:** Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:06 am

Well at my local store, they told me (without me asking about it) there is't really anything new left to sculpt and that they are basically waiting for the Hobbit to be released.

Sounds like an odd bussinessplan to me, but that's what he said. :p

Harfoot · **Posted:** Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:17 pm

Sticky Fingersss wrote:

GW just released a bunch of Warhammer finecasts, I havn't noticed a slowdown.

A very small release of Warhammer recently, look at the back catalogue of the entire 3 ranges, 1,000s of figures, they should be releasing more than they have if Finecast was a a success. (in my humble opinion)

Sticky Fingersss · **Joined:** Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:20 am **Posts:** 1776

Quote:

Well at my local store, they told me (without me asking about it) there is't really anything new left to sculpt and that they are basically waiting for the Hobbit to be released.

Sounds like an odd bussinessplan to me, but that's what he said. :p

What?? Theres nothing else to be released? I am not a high elf player but I do believe PLENTY of the lotr population wants new plastic high elves and numenoreans! What about all those things in LOME?

whafrog · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:37 pm

Yep, there's plenty left to sculpt, especially the ones you mentioned. After all, they redid the Galadhrim entirely, with a better set of profiles IMHO.

aelfwine · **Joined:** Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:23 am **Posts:** 508

I don't know about "plenty" - there's some, definitely, but at this point we've long passed the tipping point towards utterly obscure characters no one knows about or cares about. Remember, GW's primary market is not collectors. Mithril miniatures can get away with making Hirluin the Fair, lord of Pinneth Gellin; GW can't, really. Hirluin gets mentioned twice in the book and not at all in the movie.

I suppose the obvious options are the following:

- Re-sculpted Last Alliance high elves - or at least a bunch of different poses, in an 8/8/8 format.
- Ditto the Warriors of Numenor

I would also follow this up with the idea of having a "barbarians of Middle Earth" set - 24 beardy rough looking guys with axes and spears and long knives and crude looking weapons. Why? Basically plastic Dunlendings, plastic "bearded Easterlings with axes," plastic hillmen from Gondor, plastic Beornings/Guardians of the Carrock, plastic men of Angmar. There's been a bunch of recent releases of metal hero and command units which sort of "upgrade" bog standard units into something special, with the implied intention that you get more of said bog-standard units to paint up a little differently. (eg, Blackroot Vale archers). You could do the same here: upgrade the beardy guy plastics with, say, Thrydan Wolvesbane into Dunlendings; upgrade the beardy guy plastics with a new Grimbeorn figure and you've got Guardians of the Carrock.

That should get you enough going to drag the range kicking and screaming till December 2012.

theavenger001 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:42 pm

There's all the dunland huscarls, riders, and bezerkers, as well as the aformentioned last alliance, and plastic khand. Lots of stuff to do.

ForgottenLore · **Joined:** Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:47 pm **Posts:** 491

Sticky Fingersss wrote:

but I do believe PLENTY of the lotr population wants new plastic high elves and numenoreans!

I certainly don't. Not until all the metal troops are redone in plastic first. Then they can consider resculpting an existing plastic kit.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:57 pm

My thoughts exactly, I hope for plastic Khandish, Mahud etc.. and besides the last alliance box allows me to get some cheap spectres for angmar.

aelfwine · **Joined:** Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:23 am **Posts:** 508

theavenger001 wrote:

There's all the dunland huscarls, riders, and bezerkers, as well as the aformentioned last alliance, and plastic khand. Lots of stuff to do.

It's not really plenty.

Sure there's hundreds of characters and potential soldiers out there which haven't been realised, but is there enough interest to make people go and buy an army of them? Plastic figures require a huge output of money upfront, compared to metal (or now, one assumes) finecast. So any plastic sets have to sell lots to make the effort profitable. GW almost assuredly does have market research going on, and what "everyone" on a bunch of message boards, representing a few hundred people, say is often not what these researchers say. There's been a certain logic to their plastic sets thus far: movie armies take priority, since a good chunk of the LOTR market are people wanting to play battle games in the movie universe, and people who want movie collectables; there's a few core non movie armies based on sales of metals. The metal dwarves reportedly did well, so we got plastic dwarves, the metal Swan Knights did well, so we got plastic knights.

At this late stage in the game, the most we can hope for is popular metal armies going plastic. Were the Khand models popular? Possibly not. The Knights of Morgul seemed to warrant a plastic set; the Mordor Uruk Hai have yet to, for whatever reason.

It may well be that the safest bet is for the one bit of the movie that hasn't be revisited: the last alliance sequence.

Erunion · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:07 am

I disagree with certain parts of what you said, aelfwine. I think that GW realizes that all-metal armies are never going to be as popular as armies that can be built with cheap plastic troops. They have stated as much when talking about WHFB and 40K, and they have moved to having at least the core troops and most of the elites being plastic kits. Thus, I don't think that they need to see large amounts of sales of metal models to produce a plastic set. However, your assessment of their market research and cost/benefit analysis is spot on. Hopefully, GW will see that people are willing to purchase large armies (especially with WotR) if it is financially feasible.

Fishlegs · **Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:05 pm

Surely there would be a lot of financial sense in a plastic barbarians and plastic ruffians. They would be snapped up by other gamers than just LOTR. I know the LOTR is supposed to tied into the license, but realistically wargamers will use whatever miniatures they can get their paint-stained hands on.

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